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Would you recommend this audiobook to a friend? If so, why?
I have been recommending this book to any woman who I feel has what it takes or has an interest in excelling in the business world. I can't say enough good things about it.
One thing that should be noted, is that Lois acknowledges the significant shaft that women of color experience vs white women. This is important because it shows how she can view situations objectively-which adds to her credibility. In my experience, it's rare to come across a white woman who can see and relate to our added challenges.
What was one of the most memorable moments of Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office?
The author said avoiding office politics was a mistake. For years, I have been trying to avoid the politics because I thought I was above it, and I thought it was the "right" thing to do. My mistake.
Have you listened to any of Lois P. Frankel’s other performances before? How does this one compare?
Did you have an extreme reaction to this book? Did it make you laugh or cry?
I was a bit overstimulated. In the beginning, the author goes over some appalling statistics. After the initial shock and anger, I continued on. She discusses the unconscious mistakes that women make in the workplace-and she offers coaching tips. I feel like Lois is my personal career coach. A light bulb went off with this one.
Any additional comments?
I almost didn't make the purchase because I pretty much hate the color pink (it's been forced on me all my life) and I didn't like the title. I debated between this book and How to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie. I thought I needed something more tailored to me-a woman. So, after reading the reviews, I decided to purchase Nice Girls. I am so glad I did.
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Would you listen to Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office again? Why?
I would absolutely listen to this again because its chalked full of tips and advice that apply to so many different situations a woman finds herself in at work.
What other book might you compare Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office to and why?
I thought a lot about The Confidence Code by Katty Kay and Claire Shipman when I listened to this. While that book explores the problems women face with confidence, this book shows you how to address and conquer those problems in the workplace.
What about Lois P. Frankel’s performance did you like?
Strong confident narration - It felt like getting a pep talk from a well respected, no-nonsense mentor.
Any additional comments?
I had an epiphany-like moment over and over again when Frankel points out that when people shame a woman for unladylike behavior, it's not because there is such a shameful thing as unladylike behavior, it's because it's the easiest and most effective means of getting whatever it is they want out of you.
Because we've been so conditioned to be pleasing to others, accusing a woman of behaving in an unpleasing manner is like an automatic shut off button that manipulative people use against us. Accusations and implications of this manner have no basis in reality, it's just a means of shutting us up and keeping us out.
I'd downloaded several other career advice audiobooks before this one, as I was looking for career advice because I'm a new grad starting my first corporate job. I found the other new grad career advice books rather trite and unhelpful. I was hesitant about this purchase because I wasn't worried about snagging the "corner office," so much as just getting started, but I am so glad I found this gem as I begin my journey through the corporate world.
I'm so impressed with the book I intend on buying copies for female friends as graduation presents. I also loved that Frankel recommends a plethora of other resources and career coaching books throughout. She is a generous author who never fails to cite and recommend her influences, a rare skill in a world of self-promotional and narcissistic branding.
This was one of my favorite audible experiences. Highly Recommended!
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This book is probably most relevant to women 45+ who are middle-management or above, who are already in traditional corporate environments and at a certain level of income. The way it is written and the suggestions provided don't feel relevant to my life at all. In fact, it often made me feel bad about myself and my achievements.
The attitude to men and women is essentialising and dated. It is full of references to 'real women.' And it doesn't take into account the way in which younger men and most corporate environments today at least pay lip service to women's equality while allowing sexism to go underground or take on more insidious forms, making it far harder to address or work around.
The fundamental message of moving beyond what young women are taught about being 'a nice girl' is great. There are sprouts of really strong material around improving communication learned in childhood, definitely. But the structure of the book (a giant listicle) doesn't go in depth about any one, and there are better resources for this.
The text employs a critical tone throughout (here's everything you are doing wrong wrong wrong you silly girl *eyeroll*) that is not the most constructive investment of your time.
More dangerously, however, the negative, dismissive tone toward 'girls' reinforces negative stereotypes about women in the workplace that are hurtful to women as a whole, even if you've managed to separate yourself from the rest of the pack. Frankel says repeatedly that we have to accept the existence of double standards and that we need to work with them. Fine. But do we need to blithely treat 'girls' in the workplace as badly as men historically have? What about all the women who Frankel describes as being stuck in the 'women's ghetto' of secretaries and administrators? The attitude is 'are you a goddess who people will do things for, or are you the one who does things for the goddesses?' This is regressive and unconstructive. Some women might feel great about feeling like they have somehow escaped the fate of the helpers and then use those silly 'girls' to support their work without thinking twice about how destructive that structure is. I don't. Why not talk about how such women can move out of the cycle, rather than just advising avoiding getting sucked into it at any cost? And about things that senior women (and men!) can do to support women in those situations? What about people who have taken those kinds of jobs because there was rent to pay in the recession-era job market and they were promised opportunities for advancement that then never appeared, then found themselves stuck? How about providing a toolbox, rather than dismissing those people as failures doomed to serve others? Instead, Frankel gives the impression that she is self-obsessed and unethical, that she doesn't care if it's your head she uses as a step on her way to the top. It's all a game we need to play to win, after all.
Some of the advice assumes the reader is a relatively high earner and some is so painfully obvious that it's insulting. Frankel cites Virginia Woolf and A Room of One's Own as advice to get your own bank account and your own cushion of money so you don't have to stay in bad jobs, as well as a bunch of retirement planning suggestions. The advice is so obvious that it doesn't need to be written down. And it's great for those who earn a good income and are choosing between having a holiday or depositing savings, but what about those who are barely making rent every month, for whatever reason? This is a genuine opportunity for Frankel to help women who feel stuck to plan an escape or secure their futures. But top-earners only matter. Those silly girls in the women's ghetto can just take the hand they are dealt.
If you want a book packed with gems like 'get an expensive haircut' or 'hair should get shorter as you get older' or 'don't let your grey show' or 'don't get a visible tattoo' or 'buy this list of clothes and get it all tailored' then this is the book for you. Most of us have grown up having these ideas fed to us in the media or by our parents and don't need to buy a book to tell us this crap again. Frankel couches all these suggestions in terms of accepting and working with social expectations of women, saying that women are mistrusted if their appearance doesn't align with social expectations because it creates cognitive dissonance. We all know this. We can choose to comply or not. We can also consider ways of founding, building or changing our companies so that these expectations don't become prisons of gender stereotypes. What we don't need in 2017 is a corporate, literary version of Cosmopolitan magazine, telling women how to comply with men's expectations of women at work.
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Would you recommend this book to a friend? Why or why not?
I'd recommend this to friends who were maybe in their 50s+ and working for stuffy, traditional companies in attempt to aid survival until retirement. The advice is so dated and some of it so infuriatingly so, that I tended to miss the good points whilst I fumed about how someone could get away with so publicly criticising the over-generalised woman for 9 hours. This book should be titled "how to act like a man" - I don't care whether she verbally dismisses this in the book. Whether consciously or not, Frankel has written a book with the majority of advice being to look at how men do it and copy. Very much the "fake it until you make it", rather than "fake it until you become it" philosophy.
What could Lois P. Frankel have done to make this a more enjoyable book for you?
Turned it around to not be the 100+ mistakes. If you want the title and structure of your book to be in the negative, your message is going to come across that way. Women make mistakes. Men don't.
Was Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office worth the listening time?
Of course. Just because I didn't agree with her messages, doesn't mean I shouldn't educate myself on the opinions of others. It makes my arguments better.
Brilliant...insightful and well told. buying 5 more for the important women in my life!!!!
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It definitely had some great tips on how to be a professional woman. I've done a heap of bookmarking so I can go back and listen to what's relevant to me. Ultimately, it's best to pick a handful of tips to focus on and move on from there, ultimately aiming for unconscious competence.