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Good interview with a very interesting sounding author but I was irritated to discover that audible doesn't offer the book discussed.
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Mr. Bregman has a very popular book out now called Utopia for Realists which I advise everyone to read. His premise is that utopian ideals have a tendency to come true. Abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, democracy itself we're all considered impossible at some point in history yet people did what was necessary to make those things real. Bregman's Utopia provides a Universal Basic Income and a 15 hour work week. The way he tells it, those might be just around the corner and the cause that creates the necessity is widespread automation of jobs currently held by humans. Listen to this short talk, then buy his book. "Universal Basic Income is not Left or Right, it's Forward!" (Scott Santens)
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